Ellie’s unrealistic abilities?
By - BrennanSpeaks
I'm curious . . . did you make this argument about Joel in the first game? Or any of the other myriad video game heroes who overcome the odds over and over again? Or does this only bother you when the protagonist is a nineteen-year-old girl?
Ellie has lots of moments where things don't go according to plan or she gets caught or has to run for her life. Hell, the game starts with her effectively tracking Joel to the cabin and then immediately getting her ass handed to her. She was captured by Jordan and needed help to escape. She was overwhelmed by a horde in the subway tunnels and had to just run. She got knocked through a window by a stalker and thrown into a river. She was shot by the Seraphites before they even knew she was there. She was nearly killed by the bloater in "Finding Strings" and had to be rescued. She just fell through a floor at the arcade and almost got killed by another bloater. Over and over again, they showed us that she wasn't invulnerable, so I really don't know where you're coming from.
I think this was a genuine question about the gameplay's realism. There's no need to insinuate things.
well i’m a 17-year-old girl, who is also a huge feminist, so it’s not just an issue when it comes to Ellie. I questioned Joel’s abilities at the end of the first game, fighting military personal with AR’s. a lot of the moments you mentioned were moments where Ellie was blindsided. they had to blindside her to get her caught. in game battles, for example the hospital infiltration encounter, they maybe could have added a mechanism that the enemy can grab Ellie from behind and another enemy comes in from the front and attacks her. even with stealth, ellie just crawls right past people. you know irl people would see her. i get it’s just a game, but idk i feel like they had 7 years to make it realistic and some gameplay just isn’t.
I’m a feminist, BUT...
>in game battles, for example the hospital infiltration encounter, they maybe could have added a mechanism that the enemy can grab Ellie from behind and another enemy comes in from the front and attacks her
You do know this can happen in-game (enemies grab you from behind) when you get flanked by multiple enemies, right?
Most of the gameplay isn’t canon to the story. Sounds like pointless complaints
i’m not complaining just questioning. i love the game and it’s gameplay, can’t say much for the storyline but i respect the decisions they made. gameplay does contribute to the storyline a lot though. if Ellie was a wimpy kid, she wouldn’t have gotten as far as she did, but even as a strong 19-year-old, it seems overkill. i just remember Neil saying he wanted it as realistic as possible. it is just a game, just thought i’d ask.
You don't need to kill more than a few. Most encounters can be skipped by sneaking your way through.
I agree on the fact that you can kill a lot, but it's a game. Nathan drake has done way worse 😂
definitely agree with you there lmao, i just feel like the options there to kill them, and if she choose too, mostly she does without ease. i know Neil said he wanted it as realistic as possible but it is just a game at the end of the day. thanks for the reply!
"I understand Ellie is a game character" seems like you don't understand, then.
It's simple gameplay and story segregation - the game **gives** you the option to rambo your way through everything for players who prefer playing that way, but she, in cutscenes, very clearly does a way more stealth-based approach and gets pretty much brutalized every time she has to fight guys.
But since again, it's a game, they gave you options to murder your way through everyone to appeal to more playstyles.
In most games, I'm sure you're not actually literally taking out entire armies on your own like Rambo or something.
i get the stealth mechanic is great and all but you’re given the option to kill everyone, and Ellie usually does it easily. i probably get phrase the question right, i get your point. my bad.
Again, same reason why candy bars heal bullet wounds and how you don't need extensive surgery or amputations when you get hit by a bullet. You sacrifice "realism" for a fun video game experience.
You do know she was in military school as a kid and what she went through throughout the entirety of the first game, right? There’s s difference between a 19 year old in our world and a 19 year old in the tlou world
she was raised in a boarding school with hundreds of other kids, with no knowledge of the outside world. i get it’s different but she herself literally said “it can’t be any worse out there” talking about outside the walls. she’s been protected her whole life. then she gets outside of the walls and can defend off grown women and men who are giving all their adrenaline (infected) and human grown men with guns and other weapons (hunters). once again, i’m not complaining i’m just simply asking. thanks for the response.
It's... a video game.
I get the whole "but there's trained people and dogs and guns and ammo!" complaint, but it just seems like if you wanted a 100% realistic combat simulation, that it's weird you'd look for it in a fictional infection zombie game.
I don't mean to bash TLOU1 or 2's AI, but if it were "a realistic combat sim", then the AI wouldn't go back to business-as-usual mode after 2 minutes; they'd stay on high alert, and intelligently sweep through rooms & areas as they went. Neither game does that - the AI needs to be challenging enough to be interesting, but not so one-sided that the player would never win.
As said - it's a video game.
And here I thought you might be flipping out over her super-sense of hearing, or desiring some kind of "she's infected right? she should have fungal body armor!" kind of thing.
> I understand Ellie is a game character
Do you? No mention of alcohol and some bandages immediately healing bullet wounds. No mention of Ellie/Abby/Joel's backpacks essentially being Felix the Cat's bag with the amount of shit they can pull out of them. No mention of "brute" characters being able to withstand gunshots *to the face*.
Do you argue that Sakura from Street Fighter should get absolutely wrecked by characters that look like they bench press cars for reps, as well?
bro it is not that serious it’s a question
If you play through the game on Grounded mode, it's more "realistic" in the sense that you're forced to stealth your way through instead of going rambo and shooting everybody.
Just think of the canon as Grounded, but even more realistic and harsher than that. As others have said, they had to make concessions for gameplay reasons.